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» It reeks of politics   2004-06-20 13:33 Peter Carswell

S>You can run for office yourself, and invite people to vote for you. Try telling the average man in the street how much better off you will be without a health or welfare system, and you will get blank stares if you are lucky.

The electoral system is designed only to elect the Liberal/Labor party. I'm trying to get people to understand the system. Good "representation" is impossible and majority rule (democracy) is always coercive to minorities.

>Yes, governments continually use stolen money to indoctrinate the benefits of of an all-controlling government, but the final responsibility is with the people who believe the rubbish and vote for a repressive government. If the voters have no responsibility because they have been 'misled by the ruling classes', then tell me - does anyone have any responsibility for any of their actions?

Good point and I think people who naturally belong to the governing class (like you and me) have to change the system - this is about consciousness-raising in the governing class. Everyone, and not just the politically weak, would be served better by free trade.

You seem to be able to cop the political dirt better than I can, but you have to admit the problem is systemic. It won't change simply by character-bashing.

>"where does it work better than here?"

It's ABL's call but I would guess that he means the US system works better than the British parliamentary model. I think so.

>.. and yet levels of state control, and taxation increase every year? I don't see the end in sight anytime soon.

Not soon, but the progression to free markets is happening, and technology is helping to drive it. As long as the people can make some profit from their effort there will be slow progress.

>>The old elitist representative system evolved straight out of the tradition of the divine right of kings, and became the divine right of the representatives. Why shouldn't normal free-market principles apply in our selection of "government" (or property security agents)?

>Because the majority of people don't want it to. They believe in a collectivist society.

The "majority" doesn't matter except to collectivists. Only individual choice really matters. So democracy = collectivism? There's a lesson there.

>There is nothing wrong with mob-rule if the mob doesn't believe in mob-rule. Change the mentality of the mob.

And change the mentality of the leaders of the mob.

  • Ruled by the mob. -- Strawman 2004-06-20