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>> >> many of the primitive desires can be satisfied by effectively 'cheating'
>> >> the system. >> Porn and casual sex are equivalent to using drugs to give yourself the illusion
>> of well-being. This kind of reminds me of a study I read once by some intellectual elite
about having sex while drunk. Something like 'you might think that you
are having a better time because you are drunk, but actually all the
objective signs (change in pulse rate etc) are down'. Huh? Who cares
whether I'm objectively having a good time. It's what I think that
counts - beer goggles and all. >> They[casual sex and drugs]'re ok in moderation, but these cheaters are 'cheating'
>> themselves in terms of biological success if they don't have kids. Yes, and by choosing Coke you are 'cheating' yourself out of the success of
drinking Pepsi. By choosing a red car, you are 'cheating' yourself out of the
success of having a blue car. Every decision you make excludes other decisions
you didn't make - that's the nature of free choice. You don't choose other people's measure of success - they do. If they measure
success in terms of taking drugs and having casual sex, that's their business - not
yours. But if you measure your own success by procreation - go right ahead. You are
going to make a lot of fat chicks very happy. >> >> The population in poorer parts of the world is still growing exponentially,
>> >> but the birth rate in rich western countries is well below replacement level >> Some poor countries are growing fast, but the US is at replacement level (2.08
>> children per woman), while Russia, for example is a relative basket case at
>> 1.27. Lies, damn lies and statistics. Break down the US in terms of race, and you
will see a very different picture. Russia is still recovering from seven
decades of facist cultural
and social control. Neither are good examples of anything in this regard. The relationship
between poverty and birth rate is real. >> >> This is not because of any lack of freedom to fulfill their genetic function,
>> >> but precisely because they do have the freedom to make their own decisions, and
>> >> to control their fertility. >> You seem to be saying that we have only survived because we didn't have
>> abortion and birth control measures in the past. Wrong again. I'm saying no such thing - nor am I denying it. Look up "logical
abduction" if you are still stuggling with this. >> Are you saying that
>> state-imposed no-fault marriage does not represent "any lack of freedom"? Yes, the inability of people to choose their own contracts is a repression of
their freedom. I never claimed otherwise. >> And what about all those taxes and all that legislation? Duh .. er .. yes theft is theft. And your point is ..? >> >> Libertarians generally avoid making moral judgements (beyond the obligation
>> >> to not steal). >> Why only stealing? Because once you accept that you own your body, all forms of repression against
the individual become a type of theft. >> Are you speaking as a libertarian or as a member of the Party? There is no party. I am speaking as an individual with a logical mind.
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