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» Use of force   2002-10-20 16:37 Strawman

>> well Strawman, it seems that your starting to get some readership... :) though
>> I think they think you're the Liberal government?

I think that's what the KindyMedia Editors thought until I started critizing the Liberal government. Maybe they started removing my posts because they were just confused?

>> strawman informs us:
>> > Remember that the only things that these people understand are force and
>> > terror. Ultimately that is what will cower them.

>> I wonder if that's true. I'm not questioning the ability of force to cower
>> people (though the effectiveness of threatening to kill suicide-bombers still
>> doesn't seem obvious to me).

The effectiveness of threatening to kill suicide bombers in a way in which they don't murder civilians in the process is obvious to me.

Though I have to agree that "Death to the Suicide Bombers!" wouldn't make a very rousing war slogan :-).

>> I'm wondering if force really is the only thing that terrorists understand? It
>> may be true that terrorists respond to incentives and that they have more than
>> simple murder in their preference set?

Yes - the incentive is total control. Murder is a secondary choice. Other people's freedom is last.

>> The U.K. is attempting to use non-violent means with the IRA,

The IRA are a bunch of murderous thugs, but their support group (Angry Catholic Northern Irish) actually want autonomy. Hence peace has a chance. Of course their idea of autonomy is to impose their barbaric interpretation of a 2000 year-old script on other members of their population, but hey - that is being done anyway, and they want to do it in their own way.

>> Zimbabwe was formed (and white-rule ended) when the government of the
>> day compromised with the terrorists (freedom fighters now... but terrs back then),

Surely you mean they gave into the terrorists? Do you support what is happening in Zimbabwe now?

>> De Klerk eventually compromised with the well known terrorist of his day - Nelson
>> Mandella, a compromise situation has been impossed in Serbia to deal with the
>> terrorist group (backed by Osama) called the KLA, many people think compromise
>> should be used in Chechnya with regards to their separatist movement, and I'm
>> happy with the compromise reached by the Indonesians with the terrorist East
>> Timor independence movement.

You really are arguing with a strawman here :-) I don't recall ever writing "Terrorism is Evil". Please follow this link to read my manifesto on terrorism.

>> It seems history is full of instances when terrorists acted rationally out of
>> self interest, and could subsequently be dealt with or at least influenced.

I agree completely.

>> So, what is it about "these people" that makes them different?

They weren't driven by religious zealotry (though they may have used it as a tool along the way).

Thanks for reading.


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