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Yes, I was operating in an ideal world. Importing labour or entrpeneurs should, (there's that word again) be beneficial, but if they come to a country that gives away enough money to survive, and has a tax/welfare system that does what leftists say a free market does - keeps the poor down, they will indeed keep on voting for a more "humaintarian society". I dare say there would be economic benefit if they were coming to a fre-er market. "Libertarians reason: 'libertarianism results in free movement across borders' therefore: 'freer movement across borders results in more libertarianism'. Rubbish! This is about about on par with saying 'all you need for communism to work is for people to abandon self interest'. Such insight!" I suppose it does mean that, but if a brown dog barks, and all dogs are bark, it doesn't mean all dogs are brown. Libertarianism would encourage freer movement across borders for legitimate (non terrorist) reasons. Freer borders if done properly is close to a libertarian principle in action. But that's what I'm saying. Remove the welfare state first. All you have to do is convince people who are already here or citizens that they have a benefit from this. Another point is, limit the power of Government. Actually, I would pick all of the above, you would end up with a nasty mix of all three. Some peoplke would be more free, and other people would subsidise them and somehow the economy still manages growth (like now). But the subsidisation and welfare loss would get bigger. Yes, by offering liberty, it doesn't mean they will take whenthey instead can have power over others, because their liberties are not being infringed (e.g gun laws, censorship of porno films). I think the market should be freed and Government restrained. Not only would it be more sensible to free up immigration then, but it would be more palatable. Would you then ban David Irving form coming to Australia, given he could influence people into voting in a manner which is anti freedom? Is this a weird kind of authoritarianism, or is it totally or partially justified?
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