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» Picket Fence holds firm for Fortress Australia   2003-11-14 22:02 Strawman

>> However, with minimum wages, welfare and Soviet health and education systems,
>> these new arrivals would probably find themselves in an unemployment quagmire,
>> with others chipping in, resentfully, for their health, education and basic
>> subsistence.

The real problem (from the point of view of Australians) is welfare, and socialist-style health and education for the new arrivals. Minimum wages are not so much of a problem - if the new arrivals couldn't get a job at the minimum wage (hard to do when you can't even read the 'Highly Flammable - No Smoking' sign), then they would go hungry until they decided to return to their own lower-wage countries where they could actually get a job making childrens toys or whatever.

>> Get rid of the government control (which requires being able to quarantine each
>> nation state from the other) and the argument against "open" migration starts
>> to look somewhat wobbly, in my opinion.

Agreed, it's having these people step off the boat and put their hands straight into my pocket that really gets me.

Of course there is still the crime issue ...


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