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» And so it begins   2005-11-07 16:18 Strawman

>> 1) Most of the cars and properties damaged are not your average
>> white-Frenchmans.

Technically you are right, but the motivations of the rioters is to trash property of the 'white-Frenchman'. Don't take it too literally.

>> It is the property of other Arabs/Africans. Thats what
>> happens when you riot in your own neighborhood. I'm sure your average
>> Arab/African wishes the rioters would spontaneously combust even more than the
>> rest of France.

Right - which is why the French government is desperately trying to appease the Muslim community leaders in order to make this go away. Pleeeeeeaaaaase!

>> 2) Lots of the Africans/Arabs did not come over as guest workers (i'm not sure
>> some of them ever worked; perhaps a better term is guest non-worker). They came
>> over for multiple reasons, not least of which was fleeing countries messed up
>> by French colonialism (like Algeria). Other things like bringing partners
>> (wives) back is also common, as it is in some communities in Australia.

Yes, I'm sure it's the imported wives of your white-Frenchmen who are rioting now. Duh!

>> 3) 8% is most probably an underestimate (different figures abound).

The CIA world factbook estimates the French Muslim population at 5% - 10%. I give an estimate in the upper range of that, and I'm criticized for underestimating?

Damned CIA! Overestimating the WMDs in Iraq and now underestimating the number of Muslims in France! The conspiracy! The conspiracy!

>> It also
>> depends who you consider a muslim. Most of the second generation are
>> approximately as Muslim as most Christians are Christian in Australia. I doubt
>> many have even read the Koran.

As 'Muslims' they are still influenced by the Muslim leaders. I don't know of any Christian leaders who preach that you can't be friends with Muslims, or that you should be killed for changing your religion.

Apologist rhetoric like 'just like us only different' doesn't wash. Face facts. there are fundamental differences between Christianity and Islam.